Unhappiness

By Oli on Thursday, 19th October 2006. More information. Comments.

Unhappiness is not a pleasant thing at the best of times and big wave of it has just hit me. I'm ankle knee waist

Unhappiness is not a pleasant thing at the best of times and big wave of it has just hit me.

I'm ankle knee waist chest neck-deep in the latest ThePCSpy.com design (that I've been working on for 8 days) and am just starting to implement it into the site code and now I'm getting cold feet.

I started the mock design with aspirations of making things a little more "Web 2.0" and now I'm coming to hate the phrase and the resultant design. Bigger fonts, swishy graphics and more client side scripting than you can shake a stick at... All those things are so far from what the current design shows but what can I say?

I want it to work. I thought I had the mock design upto a reasonable standard but as I piece bit by bit of the real content into the template, I'm losing faith that I can actually pull it off and it look pretty. Perhaps that's the problem. Perhaps I wanted it to work so much, I've skipped corners along the way.

I'm also having reservations about canning it. How do you just say "In those eight days I made a big pile of crap" and come out the other side feeling you'll be able to make it better?

There are certain elements of it that I really adore. The logo is beautiful. The navigation bar looks quite regal. The advert placements should yield a better click-through-rate. The width of the sidebar allows me to bring the live-chat back. The improved RSS feed at the bottom of the page looks better and has more horizontal space. I even like the font (and its sizing) in certain places.

My hold-ups are primarily the font. It's, admittedly, very large. A few people on Experts-Exchange have pointed this out as a possible problem. But how do you go "Web 2.0" with "small" fonts? Why are they even big? I'm going on the CSS standard for "regular" sizing.

I've also lost space for menus and controls. I can only fit five main menu items up in the top and I've got nowhere to place an "admin" menu, which I have in the current design (for me). This is a minor issue as only I have to deal with it, but still. I need to stick a login form somewhere too so registered users (myself included) can authenticate with the system. The sidebar would be a good place for both these items but how do you keep them in plain sight at the same time as not shifting other content (like page specific content) out the way?

And there are certain bits that I don't think transfer well into "Web 2.0". My calendar is looking repulsive (IMO). The month/date tab next to blog entries is appallingly fugly and basic.

So how do I implement something that I'm starting to resent? Put it on pause for a while, go back to the design and try to "fix" it? Or admit failure, start again on a new design? Or just wing it and implement it all anyway?

I'm going to leave this open to debate before making any decision. I want to know what you think of the design in question and what you would change to make it better, or even overcome some of my own fears about it.

If you feel I should start over (I won't be offended as I'm seriously contemplating it) can you think of any sites that meet the Web 2.0 cliché while packing in so many zones (articles, blog, forums)? It takes about 10 seconds to find a site that provides a single service/tool/whatever and looks all Web 2.0 but I don't think I can find one with more than two uses.

My brain is going to explode. I'm unplugging.

Late edit: I've been playing with it for another couple of hours and have come up with this design which is a sort of halfway point between the current one and the original new one.

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Written by Oli on Thursday, 19 October 2006. Tagged with news. Read 2593 times. If you liked it, please give it a digg.

#1 /* 3 years, 5 months ago */
What's wrong with the current layout? The new one is ok, but I prefer this look to the new one.
#2 /* 3 years, 5 months ago */
Oli,

One word: content.

Don't sweat it; the design you have is fine.

N
#3 /* 3 years, 5 months ago */
I like the current design, except for both designs I have horizontal scroll, and for some reason in Firefox the left side is clipped such that I can only read "piness" for "Unhappiness"). Creating new designs is a good thing; it is a process of learning and exploration. The most important thing is content, which is clear (except for horizontal scrolling) in IE.
#4 /* 3 years, 5 months ago */
The new design is pretty to be honest, yes some of the fonts are rather large but that doesnt make them bad. Whack a login bar under the advertizzlement, will be plain enough to see and also should increase click through adverts.... loving the side bar and whats wrong with the calendar? Sidebar deserves to be regal and striking but then why dont you just calm the main page fonts down a bit. You should have seen my attempt at HTML earlier (first ever) now that WAS fugly. Oh btw, may need help with that further down zee line. Gx
#5 /* 3 years, 5 months ago */
Your content is always the winner, design is less important, however.. heres a few opinions..

Font is indeed a little large, just knock it down a bit and tidy the linespacing up and it would be fine.. personally I think Trebuchet MS is a lot clearer and easier to read than the one you have chosen tho, maybe give that a go.

10-15 pixels less of a sidebar would not go amiss, its nice being wider, but maybe its just slightly too big.

And I personally think a 1px or so black border around the main window, sidebar, and advertizzlement would be cool...

Top menu is nice, but a fully capitalised font with all the same height letters may finish it off...

Pah sorry if that sounds like too much of a criticism, I guess its just a suggestion as to what I would do if it were mine. New logo is as you say gorgeous, an excellent improvement, and I cannot fault the colour scheme. I really just think the font itself is possibly the main thing letting it down?

Anyway my 2 cents etc, hope it all goes well, and I look forward to seeing whatever you decide on implemented!

The new design itself would definately be an improvement on the existing one anyway imho, not that the current one is bad, Just new shiny stuff always looks good... Web 2.0 is dead, long live web 2.0 :D
#6 — Author comment /* 3 years, 5 months ago */
I've taken most of the night off but I did have a couple of ideas having read what some of you have said and have published a small update (note: its still very much a work in progress).

I've still got a lot to fix in before its site-ready. I guess I better release some of this content I've got building up here.
#7 /* 3 years, 5 months ago */
I like the latest design (v2.htm) best. The font looks much better a little smaller.

I'd get rid of the "in two lines" bit as it takes up some valuable space in your sidebar and doesn't _really_ say anything - after reading it a person is left with the impression that this is your website and you talk about different computer-related things. Not anything that someone would remember. Your site is built for content and as such people will be coming for content. They might be clicking through from a link somewhere or via a search result, but regardless most people won't just wander in the door, they will come intentionally and when I compare the value of saying "this is my site, take a look around" to the value of that real estate, I think you'd be better of ditching it. Hope that's not too long-winded.

I really like the banner image and the 5 clear links up top - very easy to see in a quick second what you have to offer.

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#8 /* 3 years, 5 months ago */
Ooo, I believe V2 is quite a big improvement.. much better, and the font is a lot nicer to read without being big and obtrusive! :D Im impressed, Id say publish that one for sure.

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