Comments for Review: Gentoo 2007.0

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#11 — Author comment /* 2 years, 6 months ago */
I've got no problem with Portage -- I think it's great and I've said that throughout the article.

There is only one real problem with Gentoo but it's a biggie: simplicity. Nothing about getting Gentoo installed is simple. As I said in the review and people have added in the comments, it's nigh on impossible for a non-seasoned Gentoo user to get through the GUI installer... The same GUI installer that was supposed to simplify things!

The lack of configuration panels or included networking applets just compounds the issue.

I've got respect for people that know what they're doing. They've spent the time reading up, going through docs and finding out how stuff works. But the fact is there is Portage could work just as well without displaying it's innards to the world. All the power could be encapsulated in easy to use screens. Config applets could be there. A working and convenient installer could be there.

But they're not.

It's not even like I'm afraid of command lines -- I just don't want to waste time going through VI to edit every damned configuration file and to be honest with you, I don't understand why you put up with it.
#12 /* 2 years, 6 months ago */
@Oli

I couldn't disagree with you more. Gentoo Linux is all about simplicity. The most difficult part is the install. Maintenance afterwards is easy as a pie. To be honest I can't understand people why people can put up with distro's which have their inner workings hidden from their users making it almost impossible to troubleshoot or maintain.
#13 — Author comment /* 2 years, 6 months ago */
I'd, for example, say Ubuntu doesn't stop you from configuring things like you have to in Gentoo... But you you have the choice to have everything ubersimplified for you.
#14 /* 2 years, 6 months ago */
I installed the live cd 2007 on VMware WS 6- no problems. Networking, X all worked
#15 — Author comment /* 2 years, 6 months ago */
VMWare 6 is out? I tested this on 5.5 but I'll be sure to give it another go on v6
#16 /* 2 years, 6 months ago */
worked for me on VMWare 6 too, no networking probs at all.. it started mouthing off at me on my older version though so i had to upgrade to 6 (can't recall because i'm at college now, but the older one's probably lower than 5.5).
#17 /* 2 years, 6 months ago */
Mick
#18 — Author comment /* 2 years, 6 months ago */
Thanks for that, Mick =)

Yeah under VMWare 6 it does have working networking.
#19 /* 2 years, 6 months ago */
I don't understand why people review distributions that cater to experienced Linux users and complain that they're not newbie-friendly. To me it's just bizarre. It's like reviewing a novel for adults and saying, "oh, this is no good...kids learning to read would really struggle with this". Well...yeah.

There are books written specifically for people who are learning to read, just like there are Linux distros that specifically aim to ensure they're accessible to newbies. I don't use Gentoo, but I check out all the popular distros from time to time, and the last time I had a look at Gentoo's GTK installer, it quite clearly stated that it was intended to make the install process faster. That's all. Not easier, just faster. In other words, "click" instead of "mke2fs -j -O dir_index /dev/hda1" or whatever. The assumption was still that the user knew what s/he was doing...otherwise what the hell was s/he doing installing Gentoo instead of something like Ubuntu?

Bugs are a pity, and a buggy install CD is particularly bad, as something that all new users will run ought to be well tested. But as for, "people scared of typing in commands and whacking return are going to struggle with it": if someone "scared of typing in commands and whacking return" decides that Gentoo would be the appropriate distro to install on his or her scarey computer thingy then that person is probably the kind of person who struggles with everything, not just Gentoo.
#20 — Author comment /* 2 years, 6 months ago */
Simon I see your point but I feel (and I didn't clarify this earlier) that there's a difference between being newbie-friendly and just user-friendly. Gentoo is neither.

A newbie-friendly system automates all the settings and doesn't bombard you with choices other than the really important ones. User friendly is doing all that but with transparency so the user can say "no I don't like that setting -- I want it like this".

I'm forever in a command line but I really object to everything having to be configured that way. But if you think it's stubbornly unGUIfied to force people to learn, I guess that's fair enough, but I'm not sure it's going to remain a popular distribution considering how much power the user-friendly distributions are offering without the complexity.
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