Review: Gentoo 2007.0

Does Gentoo's latest offering keep up with the A-list distributions?
By Oli on Friday, 11th May 2007. More information. Comments.

After five years of abstaining from getting down-and-dirty with Gentoo, Oli revisits the distribution that was responsible for many a migraine all those years ago... But does it cut the mustard when compared to other modern distributions?

I'll freely admit that it has been a long time since I've used a pure version of Gentoo. By a long time, I mean I used my friend's broadband to download the "stage 1" Gentoo V1.0 installer. Some five years later, I'm quite excited to revisit an old flame.

Gentoo 2007.0

Saying a lot has happened since the 1.0 release would make for the largest understatement on this site. Dozens of distributions are reaching the stage where they all equal Windows for out-the-box simplicity and power with many outstripping Windows by some distance.

Gentoo's core development has recently been having some issues with an exodus of developers last summer and subsequent power struggles... Indeed, some of the issues that caused the problems back then sprung up again before the 2007.0 release and caused further delays.

But onto business. I played with the LiveDVD and in hindsight, if you're considering testing Gentoo 2007.0, I would not recommend this at all — just too much stuff you'll never use — so I'd get the LiveCD instead.

Booting

Gentoo is beautiful — there's no doubt about that. Once you get past the slightly ugly boot command line, that is:

Gentoo 2007.0 stage 1 boot

I know I'm starting to sound a little funny in the head but there's something just so crisp about the text output of the boot process:

Gentoo 2007.0 crisp verbose output

Followed by one of the sexiest loading screens I've ever seen:

Gentoo 2007.0 sexy loading screen

If you're considering testing this in VMWare, I should stress that I had no luck getting the networking working. Everything worked on my dedicated testing machine though. Just a heads up.

Included software

Needless to say with a LiveDVD, it was packed with a lot of applications. This is both a blessing and a curse for the average Linux user and more a curse to the novice. While there's a lot of choice I think it's one of these scenarios where you just have too much choice.

There's certainly far too much to list the whole lot but faces that stood out where Opera, blender, amarok, dvd::rip (which I adore). I didn't do a full test of the media codecs installed because but I did get gxine playing an xvid file and Audacious playing an MP3.

Hands held high

I would have got some captures from the xvid playing but every time I tried X dropped out instantly. I did try on both systems and got the same thing so there might be a little bug around there.

Desktop environments

Gentoo 2007.0 Session Choice

Conversely, the array of window managers and environments is great including: GNOME, KDE, Xfce, AfterStep, FluxBox, WindowMaker and Enlightenment. If you want to play around with preconfigured desktops, this might be your ticket.

As a live environment things could be better configured. When logging in, you can let it auto-login or switch things around but then you don't know the password. This means you have to either look it up or change it via the terminal — "sudo passwd" — clearly unobvious to novices.

Something else I noticed when in KDE is there are almost twice the number of applications and games available. It would have been a nice touch to have everything available from everywhere in the same measures.

Graphical Installer

Gentoo 2007.0 GTK+ Installer

As other people have commented before, one of the main points about Gentoo is that it isn't easy all the time and it should force you up a very steep learning curve to get into the whole Linux "thing" — so the installer seems like a bit of a contradiction.

Automatic-partitioning is blissfully unaware of other operating systems and will, by default, nuke your entire hard disk. Hardly something you want a novice to play with.

the installer is pretty buggy and feature poor

Not only that but the installer is pretty buggy and feature poor. On both my testing platforms — using default install settings — the installer hung after copying the installation files and was impossible to install. This was repeatable and not a one-off issue. I had to revert to the text-based installer to get anywhere.

So all-in-all, I really fail to see the point of it in this condition. Sure, if it gets another overhaul and pulls itself up to Ubuntu standards it could be useful but until then it's a lame duck.

Performance

Gentoo is noticeably faster than Ubuntu

On the my dedicated testing machine where I did get the text-based installer to work, I noticed that Gentoo is noticeably faster than Ubuntu. This could be down to Ubuntu loading more stuff up because I've configured it more but it could also be down to Portage's custom architecture compiling which I dabbled with a bit.

Then again, it could be argued that the time I spent getting it all working and configured was far greater than it took with Ubuntu. Days vs minutes seems a fair comparison for somebody who isn't strongly versed in the Gentoo methodology.

Certainly, if you're setting up dedicated high-performance workstations, Gentoo should be on your watch-list.

Conclusion

While Gentoo has kept up graphically with its sexy interface, it's been left several miles behind in terms of usability as the elite for Linux enthusiasts. The problem is that it's missing so much genuinely helpful GUI configuration, even enthusiasts are going to start considering an easier life.

Portage is an excellent idea and it does work wonderfully but, again, it's aimed at the terminal user. People scared of typing in commands and whacking return are going to struggle with it.

I think there are three main reasons why you might consider Gentoo for your system:

  1. You want to look cool — Gentoo still remains one of the most user-intensive setups of all the modern Linux distributions. In a nosebleed (the collective noun) of geeks, Gentoo is a badge saying "I'm 13373r than Ubuntu userz"
  2. You need every drip of performance — while I did say there was a noticeable performance gain, I'd need to run more tests before I could conclusively say that Portage was what helped get that boost. Using any stripped down distribution might give you similar benefits.
  3. You want to learn Linux. Like it or not, immersing yourself in something like Gentoo will quickly force you to get to grips with Linux. You might end up loathing it for a month or two but within a week of using it you'll know more than an Ubuntu user does in their first year.

If you've been using Linux for a while and you're really happy with partitioning things up, I would definitely recommend trying Gentoo at least one time in your life. It's certainly an experience — one that gets more terrifying the less you know. If you're only just about happy with Ubuntu, stay well back.

It's hard to be positive about Gentoo in terms how how useful it is compared to other distributions; it just lacks too many things that I take for granted. To consider recommending it to novice users, it has to come a very long way indeed but if you're a Gentoo fan though or a terminal terminal user, you'll probably enjoy the updates and get on very well with 2007.0.

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Written by Oli on Friday, 11 May 2007. Tagged with linux, review. Read 20786 times. If you liked it, please give it a digg.

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#1 /* 3 years, 10 months ago */
I've used Gentoo since 2002 and with the advent of Gentoo 2007.0 I thought i'd do a fresh install. Mistake! Half way through the process stalled and couldn't be restarted! I tried rebooting the livecd several times and the freeze happened every time. Without internet access I was stuffed. I eventually ended up finishing the installation via a terminal in Sbuntu which had internet access. The whole thing was a pain in the arse. However, once all was installed I had a sleek system using fluxbox and all the appliances I need and it ran fast and without a hitch. All this on a 6 year old Dell laptop with 1.2 mhz processor and 512mb ram. In short Gentoo is wonderful but this new installation procedure sucks big time and caused me much grief and a whole lot of time configuring manually what should have been automatic.
#2 /* 3 years, 10 months ago */
I download and tried the Live DVD, but can't get to X, even on a virtual machine. Did you not encounter any libGLcore.so errors?
#3 /* 3 years, 10 months ago */
I cannot understand why they have not fixed the partitioner. The partitioner also does not recognize LVM setups. This is a huge inconvenience for those that already have their existing installations set up with LVM and would like to give Gentoo a try. Besides there is also the concern that the partitioner will not properly recognize the existing partitions and want to do its own thing, thus destroying the existing installions.
#4 /* 3 years, 10 months ago */
I've dabbled in Gentoo since 2005, but 2007.0 has been the worst so far. I used the LiveCD (which took ~9 minutes to boot), and each screen of the intstaller took a good 30-40secs to load. Then, it just died at partitioning. I rebooted, and this time it died on starting the installer. The CLI installer didn't work either.

For me:
Pros: Nice artwork.
Cons: Everything else.
#5 /* 3 years, 10 months ago */
I am a linux geek. I have been using gentoo after freeBSD. freeBSD didn't have a few things that worked easily on linux. Loved the port system. To hear there's been an update is great. Personally, I think the portage system has its up and downs (trying to build something similar in c) but it's really useful.
The Xorg error comes up a lot. What you go to do is go into the xorg.conf and change the monitor driver from what ever it is to vesa. That works for me.
A big ran of any kind of graphics (E17 is great) so new artwork is great too.
#6 /* 3 years, 10 months ago */
I`ve got a new PC last year in summer. An maked up by part`s. It`s a Intel Core Duo 2 E6600 @ 2400 Mhz on an Asus P5b motherboard with 1 G KingMax Mars DDR2@800 mhz Dual Channel and an 120 G Seagate Hdd on PATA. The J-Micron controller was not suported in 2006.0 Release and I`d waited for 2007.0 Release to install gentoo because i`m courious how mutch time will take this core duo 2 processor to emerge/build world.
I`m a novice, begginger in *nix art or sport, but i have some computer experience in my back, so I usually handle in unix with the grafical interface, but sometimes I must use the CLI witch I don`t like it very mutch. I did an gentoo install from CLI on my old pentium III.
Now.. I`ve download the .iso image of gentoo AMD64 2007.0, verified md5sum CDburned out the CD` and booted. The good part is that the Jmicron was ok, it dose see my hdd as "hde". I tried 5 installs with the grafical wizzard but EVERY INSTALL FAILED. In the Standard mode, Networkless and ADVACED. In advanced mode if at the step with kernel I choose "custom kernel with make menu config" and the Installer simply ask me "ARE YOU SURE YOU WISH TO QUIT BEFORE THE INSTALLATION IT`S FINISHED?`" I belived that the new installer will be better but it`s even WORST in comparation with 2006.0 release. SHAME ON YOU developers. I undestand that there is an huge work to do, i undestand that there is no mutch flexibility because they` don`t know what options to put there like an Microsoft Windows developer (the windows wizards ROCKS), and they don`t have iddeas,I undestand that GRUB dosen`t see windows partition and can`t be installed in "/" if i wish only in MBR ""`` i undersand that it`s DANGEROUS TO PARTITION WITH THE GRAFICAL INSTALLER and the fact that the changed are commited to disk IMEDDIATLY (such a stupid thing), but i don`t ACCEPT the fact that it DOSE NOT WORK. Ok, if there are one bug`s or thwo are acceptable, but I`m shure 100% that they DIDN`T tryed or Tested this "graficall installer wizard". Suse has an good wizard, ubuntu, sabayon, mephis, redhat/rhel, pc-bsd, zenwalk, and many others. You konw what? Those installer`s ACTUALLY DO WORK but` gentoo`s DOSEN`T! Such a wonderfull distribution, provided from such wonderful ideeas (portage, emerge and othes util`s) but disabled by...



SHAME SHAME SHAME. The best metod for actually installing gentoo it`s from an ubuntu installed or knoppix cd, and chroot then CLI. Soryy developers but your installer sucks.`
In the networkless mode, the installaion hangs at "perl" (~50/140), if there is no internet connection, but work`s if there exist internet connection. Strange isn`t IT FOLKS?!!
In standard mode, the installation finished succesfully, but when i booted say`s that "i can not find /dev/hde it`s not an valid device please input the correct device".
So.. Whatsoever gentoo linux 2007.0 amd64 CD it`s a full with GARBAGE SOFTWARE.
When i booted the cd with gentoo acpi=on or whitout that argument the cpuscalling didn`t worked anyway, but the Intel Speed Step it`s active in bios, in ubuntu work`s just fine and in windows same.`
Advice: don`t lose your time with 2007.0 amd64 CD, The grafical wizard IT DOSE NOT WORK CORECTLY!
Simply install it from another distro with chroot and cli.


Sorry for my bad english it`s not my native language and for typos.`
#7 /* 3 years, 10 months ago */
I recommend trying Sabayon 3.3, it is Gentoo based and works out of the box (at least in my case). It is No 8 on DistroWatch but gets very little attention from reviewers.
#8 — Author comment /* 3 years, 10 months ago */
I tried Sabayon 3.3 when it was first released. I've just had problems installing it and for something like Sabayon, it NEEDS to be installed to work it properly.

It is a massive improvement over a stock Gentoo system but I think they went too far again... The GUI package manager needs some heavy work too.

I think there's an ethos (somebody from Gentoo can correct me if they like) that Gentoo Linux is not supposed to be easy. I think they want people to enjoy the struggle. I used to feel cool messing around with v1 many years ago but I just haven't got the effort to waste getting a system off the ground from the level Gentoo expect users to.

It's still a nice idea of a system, but I think they need to start accepting configuration submissions from forked projects like Sabayon because for Gentoo to survive as anything other than a shell-project, they're going to need users just as much as devs.
#9 /* 3 years, 10 months ago */
Come on guys. The installer is only a convenience for people who have installed Gentoo over a dozen time. If you have never installed Gentoo before; read the fine manual (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/index.xml). Even better print it first then read it. Download the minimal install cd and just do it. Most problems and complains I've heard here only comes only from lack of understanding even the basics of Gentoo.


Those who are afraid of the command line are better off using Sabayon (http://www.sabayonlinux.org/)
#10 /* 3 years, 10 months ago */
Read this review to get a better understanding of how Gentoo works: http://techgage.com/article/gentoo_20070/1
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