Comments for PCLinuxOS's militant leadership

lolol, u kno wt i have been thinkin bout moving to linux as i did not want to move to vista. but after this i don't even kno. ive heard pclinux is one of the best but wen da leader of their distro acts lyk dat i dnt wna eva join pclinux. and dats da truth. even if i do move now it'd b 2 ubuntu rather than pclinux cos i dnt wna b in a position wer i say sumting which 'upsets' this textar and i get no support from the whole pclinux community. o well, i guess theres lessons to be learned.

This is what it comes down to.

People not just Tex has worked hard on this distribution. From the beginning they have been constantly attacked. In fact the distribution started was started basically by an attack from Mandrake developers on building RPMS for Mandrake. Tex and the creaters of this distribution are in one way or another constantly defending themselves from other distributions. Now that Mandriva has fallen from the wayside there's Ubuntu fanatics attacking them. Searching through the Ubuntu forums and reading articles from people who use Ubuntu including this Blog people can get very fanatical about Ubuntu. This is just as wrong as people getting very fanatical about PCLinuxOS. Peoples fanaticism should pointed towards Linux and not some a distribution. One of Linux's largest short coming is it's fragmentation. Instead of a community working together to help improve one another there's blogs like this that insight fanaticism. Yes Tex might have been wrong about his comment but notice he wasn't attacking a distribution he was attacking people knowingly putting FUD in the community because of a threat that should never exist. One thing that PCLinuxOS has going for it is it uses applications and scripts from across different distributions to try and solve usability issues. It's a great idea but fanaticism is what stands in the way in most distributions from doing this and if it continues it will eventually be the fall of Linux in general. Thanks for feeding the fire oili!

You do know you have just blown things way out of proportion by Posting this. Comon - this guy has spent months, years on developing a distro any your review was rushed and unfair.

Calling it hard to find documentation on installing - looked on the livecd desktop?

You have made yourself just as bad, 2 wrongs do not make a write.

lol, hmm weird, ok, well Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder, we must all remember that. Honestly this whole thing has been blown and twisted the hell out of place and proportion!!, once one says hes been ignorant and "militant" you ALL follow suit and think he is, god damn, if they jump off a cliff, will you follow suit?!?!? THIS IS THE EXACT same situation, 1 spoke up and mentions some stupid reason of lack of respect, then now he’s the bad guy, I think everybody buying that he’s a douche, are IDIOTS, and can’t read and think or have an opinion of their own.

PERSONALLY, I do agree that PCLinuxOS’s installer (partitioning) is pretty horrible, the DiskDrake or w/e really isn’t newbie friendly AT ALL, I know, I had to partition a drive for my friend like on Tuesday this week! And yes I would prefer Ubuntu’s installer because it is much more noob friendly. I don’t use either Ubuntu/PClinuxOS as my primary distro, but Arch. BUT i do believe PCLinuxOS IS a better migration distro from Windoze to GNU/Linux. SO whatever floats your boat people.

To repeat, the original article WAS correct in stating it installer can be better, AND I do support Texstars comment since there was nothing wrong in it at all, by hammering he meant advocating and informing others of how much they like the distro, not to attack/hammer the blog/post/article. So you are all making a mountain out of a molehill, and ill defend this Texstar guy because he NOR the blog poster was at fault 1 damn bit....

I think the bashing you received for your PCLOS review was genuine and required. I saw your review earlier but didn't read it fully but now went through it again. The first impression I get from your review is that you are trying to see how good PCLOS resembles with Ubuntu. Thats not the point of freedom!

Also you should look at the other reviews for PCLOS.

Oli,

I guess I'm compelled to respond to what has turned into the great PCLOS vs Ubuntu debate.... In my opinion, all of the bickering that has transpired could have been avoided from the very beginning had you simply referred to your article as an opinion piece or better yet, titled it “A Ubuntu User's review of PCLOS.”
I could easily re-write your entire review as a “Windows users review of PCLOS” or “A Windows users review of Ubuntu/Kubuntu” and make the same general comparisons, while coming to the same conclusions.
You obviously have a Debian/Buntu background, while I was mentored on Mandrake, Mandriva and then PCLOS. While I suspect there are far more Linux users than the claimed 6%, the fact remains that the majority of computer users have been “born and raised” on the Windows platform. Those Windows users are subjugated to the MS monopoly and continue to use the platform for various reasons. The two great stopping points to their conversion are their existing familiarity and their ignorance. Familiarity is powerful and the ignorance I refer to should not be confused with stupidity. C:\ is not better than / it's just different, yet just as logical to those willing to learn. Since your one response to my earlier post made reference to the difference in menu layout I'll use that as an example. I'm have moved on from my Windows days and have no need of a Windows like menu, if you where to compare the menus of Kubuntu and PCLOS I would agree that Kubuntu has a more Windowesq flavor than PCLOS. On the other hand I never cared that much for the default Windows menu and every install I ever performed was promptly followed by a complete restructuring of the menu system to get away from opening a main menu only to have a massive list of apps run across my screen. I prefer to have rationally titled sub-folders containing fewer apps. I consider that to be radically simple...
Next, the partitioning issue. Every OS has some sort of partitioning tool and none of those tools are much better than the other for someone who has no idea what the hell a partition is... I'm appalled by the WinXP partitioning scheme that demands that you create a less than 137G partition, install XP, then allocate your unused drive space. Why not make all your partitions at once? To me that seems slightly retarded, but an XP fan would claim thats the way it should be done. Onto the PCLOS partitioning tool, it provides a choice of schemes and is probably no better or worse than other gui type partitioners. I have installed numerous Linux, Windows, and lesser known OS's and I have to state that when an OS installs in under 10 minutes (my Machine- A64 3400) and boots to login screen in about 33 seconds, thats what radically simple is all about. Compare those times to Windows or the Buntu family. The bottom line is (once again my opinion) anyone new to any OS needs a mentor or the desire to teach themselves. It is less about which Linux distro is the best and more about, why Linux is worthy of investigation. I tell my “students” that they should give Linux at least a month, so they can become familiar with the way things are accomplished, then they can begin to appreciate the benefits of a system with no virus, pop-ups, spyware, reduced or eliminated software expenditures, etc. My complaint with your “review” is that in an effort to be one of the first to review the 2007 release, you failed to spend any reasonable amount of time using it and then piled on the criticisms based upon your familiarity with another distro. In conclusion, a book reviewer will read the entire book prior to writing a review. You relied on the “cliff-notes” and that is simply not fair in the eyes of those of us who have read the book... PCLOS users have concluded that if the OS were not free, it would be deserving of best seller status.

you provoked him. so dont be surprised.you only get what you give.

When a new person comes to your forums you should consider Helping them and not question their reason for posting as though everyone knows why don't you. Most forums are guilty of this and I think it is because the Senior members are the ones that have forgotten what it is like to try and learn a new language. When you are flamed for asking a question you are in the wrong place, time to vote with your feet.