Comments for Has Apple tripped up with Safari?

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#41 /* 3 years, 9 months ago */
Oli said "The context for junk and no merit was this beta release. These betas have no merit as a serious effort for a desktop browser"

I couldn't disagree more. A beta release is a way for the developer to obtain the widest amount of feedback about a product. The developer is not forcing anybody to test the beta, it's up to the people to decide to use it or not. If they do then they know they are engaging in a test cycle. Beta is not "preview" software. It's a look inside things to come. Some of those things will change, don't make it, will be completely reworked. It's part of the deal. Apple never said this beta for Windows is ready for prime time. Personally, I like it. I loaded it on my XP box and it runs smoothly. I'm not able to test my websites on a wide variety of o browsers. In a weeks of work, Safari for Windows crashed only once so, from my point of view, it looks like a pretty mature beta.
I'm in the private alpha and beta testing of some Adobe products and I can tell you that things get a lot rougher early on in the development. Anybody who spent more than 20 minutes developing software knows that. There is no obligation from Apple to do a public beta. They provided it so that people can have a taste of things to come. This is pretty different from what Apple has done in the past. They have been criticized for their secrecy, for not being more open with the community. Now that they open up they get blasted because a beta program is not production quality. Damned if you don't do it, damned if you do it.
BTW, one Safari-specific feature that I didn't see mentioned here is the "Private Browsing". Now, that's something that I'd like to see on all the other browsers.

#42 /* 3 years, 9 months ago */
Its only focus is trying to harvest iPhone developers, hence its massively premature release.


How is this "harvesting developers?" This simply makes something people are going to do anyway easier. If anything, this shows how Apple is willing to provide the necessary tools and resources to assist developers create sites that look great on Mac OS X and the iPhone.

Since Safari on Windows looks and renders just like Safari on Mac OS X, developers can use it to accurately preview how their site will render, including color correction and font rendering. If this were not the case, you'd have to buy a Mac to see exactly how things would look. By looking at the number of IE only sites out there, it's obvious that very few developers have access to Macs.

I'm not saying the final will be so bad but releasing something in this stage shows Apple's immaturity and lack of trust towards its own developers.


Again, I've been using Safari on XP, including he original release in production testing for over a week. It's been solid, which is much better than I expected for a beta. Especially the first ever version on Windows. Security updates were released in less then 48 hours. If anything, I'd describe the installation problems as "lack of experience with third-party apps and exhaustive testing", rather than immaturity.

Also, care to clarify what you mean by "Lack of trust towards it's own developers"? Since I'm actually both a professional web developer and registered Apple developer, perhaps you can explain how I'm supposed to feel regarding this so called lack of "trust" Apple has shown towards me?
#43 /* 3 years, 9 months ago */
I have to say that Safari's OS X rendering looks great, and I much prefer it. We're all entitled to our opinions. Supposedly, the browser has notable color support compared to existing browsers. http://news.com.com/Safari+ushers+in+better+browser+colors+-+page+2/2100-1012_3-6191815-2.html?tag=st.num
#44 /* 3 years, 9 months ago */
Well, we all have our opinions on the font rendering. I prefer OS X's font rendering as well too, I find it easier to read and easier on the eyes.
:D:D:D
#45 — Author comment /* 3 years, 9 months ago */
Version 3.0.2 is available now. I'm yet to look at it properly but the updates include:
  • Improved stability
  • Fixes for text display
  • Non-English-text fixes
  • Improved start-up times


I'll give it a proper run through tomorrow and see how this one holds up on the stability front but I've a feeling most of my 'it's an OSX app in Windows - yeurgh' points are going to stand.

It might be usable on the most primitive levels for more people though.
#46 — Author comment /* 3 years, 9 months ago */
Well it still has a couple of major bugs... Maximise on a secondary display causes it to dissappear and I've had it crash out a couple of times for no real reason.

More worryingly my Javascript that powers my text editor in the comment box here is acting very peculiar. I guess I have a use for Safari, after all.
#47 /* 3 years, 9 months ago */
I'm a dual PC/Mac user, and on the Mac I go back and forth between Safari and Firefox. I love Safari's interface, but Firefox tends to be slightly more stable (although browser stability on Macs is a little shaky no matter which one you use, at least for someone like me who has a thousand tabs open!). Firefox is also more feature-rich, due to the ability for users to create plugins.

But I really love the sleek feel of Safari, and I could not resist downloading it on the PC I use at work. It is pretty cool, although it feels kind of weird using Safari on the PC. I still mostly use Firefox or Internet Explorer (only because some of the web tools we use don't work with FIrefox or Safari...grr), but sometimes I use Safari as a backup and it's pretty cool. At first, I was a little confused as to what Apple hoped to gain by investing in Safari for Windows, but I think it's sleek interface might give people a taste of what it's like using a Mac. As I said before, I am a dual PC/Mac user, and find pro's and con's to both, but in the area of interface design, Mac (and Safari) definitely takes it for me.
#48 /* 3 years, 9 months ago */
Oh my good a MS fan!

I have both Apple's Safari 3s for Mac and Windows, The close button works perfectly on Mac, i have it installed it on my mac since day 1 now upgrading to 3.02 beta, all this time as my main browser, and without having ANY problems.

As a graphic designer i would say that you are absolutely wrong, Windows text rendering is so bad that hurt my eyes! Safari rendering of text and images is so much better, i desire all my clients would work on a Mac, the websites look much beter there (IE7 have seen an improvement since the awfull IE6 rendering).

About Hacking OSX, you are mentioning the small landbase of installed Macs as a the reason why we dont have Viruses on Mac, remeber, we dont have ONE virus, dont you think it would be much hype for a hacker or a virus creator to make a virs for Macs? that will pt him or his creation in the first page of all the Techno blogs and some newspapers, not like creating one more of the 180,000 + viruses for windows, dont you think?

Just try a Mac, you will never go back



#49 /* 3 years, 9 months ago */
I've always wanted a Mac, ever since I used one a few years ago. My friends are starting to switch to Macs and they say they love it, it's more stable than Windows, everything looks better, it's faster and has more eye candy {without sacraficing any considerable amount of speed}

Well, maybe the font rendering in Windows doesn't hurt my eyes 'cos I've used it for so long {around 12 years now}

But I think that when I finally switch to a Mac this summer, I'll never turn back for sure. I'm one that decides on a piece of software and sticks with it until I can find anything better {that I think will work for me}

So, I found Windows, used it, got sick of it when I read all those articles about the speed of Linux and Mac, tried Linux on a Pentium II IBM 600E {worked faster than Windows did on my Pentium IIII} then I remembered Mac, the OS that no other compares with.

I've wanted a Mac for years now, I'm not going to stop wanting one either. It's the very best OS I've seen in my life, there is yet to be an OS as good as it.

Mac's font rendering is also a lot easier on my eyes, and everything's just so much clearer in general. Especially for people like me, on the computer all day, with rests, but always reading, Mac's rendering is just gonna make my life so much easier!
:D:D:D
#50 /* 5 months, 15 days ago */
Safari for windows is a decent browser, but my personal favorite PC browser is Opera. Apple does have some learning to do before cranking out too many applications, especially a web browser, because windows and its security SUCK. I mean, seriously, why would you use it?

Even if a Mac is too expensive for you, there are sooooo many alternatives to windows that put windows to shame. Ubuntu, anybody? Not that Linux beats out OS X, but still.
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